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Please Don’t Thank Me For My “Service”

Vietnam“I was in the military, not in the “service”. Service is doing something good. Service is what the person does who fixes your car. When the word “service” is applied to the military, it helps to justify violence as a method of conflict resolution. Like “defending our freedom” or “bringing democracy,” the word “service” is used to lower the barriers of aggression. The military solution to conflict is death and destruction. That’s not service. Call it what it is – the military. If you have to hurt someone to solve a problem, you are the problem.”

Arny Stieber – Vietnam Veteran

Summer 2013 Issue of War Crimes Times.

  • Les Gibbons 12/07/2013, 17:58

    Briefly wanna say that that is a strong statement – I stand alongside it. Well said.

  • Allen L. Jasson 12/07/2013, 18:52

    Yes, it’s the abject failure of leadership in the 21st C implicit in the obsession with resolution of conflict by violence that I find very troubling, not to mention that we are subject to domination by the psychopaths who own western capitalism.
    But I particularly like that line: “If you have to hurt someone to solve a problem, you are the problem“.

  • mario zanatti 13/07/2013, 12:57

    You’re a very brave man to follow your conscience out of a battle zone. I think that your Commanding Officer recognised this quality and your ethics as a warrior and not a torturer. Congratulations.

  • Radfax 13/07/2013, 19:45

    Calling on all who are of conscience to enforce the law.
    Murder is always a crime, and the murder of children is the most heinous of crimes. There comes a time when women and men must align themselves to correct action and moral fortitude and persistence for truth & justice.
    The message is to stop violence not to promote it.
    There has been much deliberation with UK police regarding the law and UK war criminals. International laws and treaties have been quoted, but to date have failed to be recognised by the UK police.
    Here is the law as set down in the UK
    The offences against Person Act 1861
    (4) “Whosoever shall solicit, encourage, persuade or endeavor to persuade, or shall propose to any person, to murder any other person, whether he( or she) be a subject of Her Majesty or not, and whether he (she) be within the Queens dominions or not, shall be guilty of an offence, and being convicted thereof shall be liable to imprisonment for life”.
    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/24-25/100/section/4
    The guilty; Vote count by MP’s of the UK government participation in the air strikes on Libya; 557 MPs rallied behind David Cameron’s new military adventure, while only 15 MPs opposed it (13 votes against, plus 2 ‘tellers’).
    These MP’s who voted in favor of air strikes in Libya, knew full well that they would result in the deaths of children, women and men. This was and still is murder. A list of MP’s who voted in favour of air strikes on Libya is available to police on request.
    Murder or manslaughter abroad.
    (9) Where any murder or manslaughter shall be committed on land out of the United Kingdom, whether within the Queen’s dominions or without, and whether the person killed were a subject of Her Majesty or not, every offence committed by any subject of Her Majesty in respect of any such case, whether the same shall amount to the offence of murder or of manslaughter, may be dealt with, inquired of, tried, determined, and punished in England or Ireland. Provided, that nothing herein contained shall prevent any person from being tried in any place out of England or Ireland for any murder or manslaughter committed out of England or Ireland, in the same manner as such person might have been tried before the passing of this Act.

    Elements of Arrest under section 24 PACE
    A lawful arrest requires two elements:
    1. A person’s involvement or suspected involvement or attempted involvement in the commission of a criminal offence;
    AND
    2. Reasonable grounds for believing that the person’s arrest is necessary.
    Under International Law
    http://untreaty.un.org/cod/icc/statute/99_corr/cstatute.htm
    The Rome statute of the International criminal court 1998;
    Article 27, (1) This statute shall apply equally to all persons without any distinction based on official capacity. In particular, official capacity as head of state or government, a member of a government or parliament, an elected representative or a government official shall in no case exempt a person from criminal responsibility under this statute, nor shall it, in and of itself, constitute a ground for reduction of sentence. (2) Immunities or special procedural rules which may attach to the official capacity of a person, whether under national or international law, shall not bar the court from exercising its jurisdiction over such a person.
    By Oath in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law. Please take note that this is not a political issue but one of law.
    If you are a Policeman, judge or any other law enforcement officer or official you are advised to take action, you are also advised to pay particular notice and attention to the following;
    Nuremberg Principle IV states, “The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.”
    http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/full/390
    Also take note of the Rome statute of the International criminal court 1998; Article 27, (1) http://untreaty.un.org/cod/icc/statute/99_corr/cstatute.htm

    If you are a Head of State or responsible government you would are also advised to take particular notice of;
    Nuremberg Principle III states, “The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.”
    http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/full/390
    Including the Rome statute of the International criminal court 1998; Article 27, (1)
    http://untreaty.un.org/cod/icc/statute/99_corr/cstatute.htm

    UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
    Article 21.
    • (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government.. http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml
    Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,
    Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.
    The crimes associated with waging aggressive war, laid down in the Nuremburg Principles and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, are also clear. If any person, in furtherance of a state policy, orders the use of force to attack members of a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, that person and everyone who takes part in the attack is responsible for the consequences, breaks international law and, if it results in the deaths of innocent people, commits the universal crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, aggression or conduct ancillary to such crimes.

    If you are not a policeman or a judge then contact crime stoppers on line
    https://secure.crimestoppers-uk.org/ams.form.anonymous.asp
    You may also feel the need to contact the Independent Police Complaints Committee
    http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/en/Pages/default.aspx
    Or the Crown Prosecution Service
    http://www.cps.gov.uk/contact/index.html