Oxford Union Debate – This House Would Not Fight for Queen and Country

On Thursday 7th February 2013 Ben Griffin will be speaking at the Oxford Union in a debate;

This House Would Not Fight for Queen & Country

Speakers in Proposition:

  • Graham Smith – CEO of Republic
  • Gareth Porter – US Pacifist and military historian
  • Ben Griffin – Founder of Veterans for Peace UK; former SAS trooper

Speakers in Opposition:

  • Sir Malcolm Rifkind – former Defence & Foreign Secretary;  current Chairman of Defence Intelligence Committee
  • Gen Lord Dannatt – Head of British Army 2006-2009;  awarded MC for actions under fire in N Ireland
  • Rory Stewart – former Foreign Office diplomat; served as senior government official in two Iraqi provinces
  • Count Nikolai Tolstoy – Chancellor of International Monarchist League; stood against Cameron as UKIP Candidate for Witney in 2010


This will be on the 80th anniversary of the most famous debate staged at the Oxford Union in 1933,  “That this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country”.



  1. Robert says:

    I Heard it Said from People who Fought for this Country Words to this Effect that it is Not Worth the
    Bother and in the Present State of the UK I Agree Especially over Wars like Afghanistan

  2. Will Thomas says:

    Just read Ben’s speech at Oxford – “good show!” Militarism and nationalism are great evils, as Ben points out (and, as MLK did in his famous April 4, 1967 speech in NYC, “Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break Silence.” New Hampshire Veterans for Peace stand in solidarity with you. “There is no way to peace. Peace is gthe way.” — A.J. Muste

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